sanju
02-13 03:23 PM
Why do you want to delete this thread? This is true. The witch hunt has started. Why be scared to say the truth?
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FYI .. This post is what I received in e-mail few days back.
I would like to bring to the notice of your readers, editorial committee and leaders of
the Indian community of a systematic way that (legally) the US Government is practicing
legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and Chinese and other H-1B visa holders.
While it is agreeable that the current economic downturn is the worst one has seen.
It is time to band together with what resources we have and make it thru this perfect
storm. However, the machinations of a few politicians and the further connivance of the
USCIS, we are about to see a systematic 'legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and other
foreign professionals'.
Leaders of the ethnic Indian community should take up this issue. Leading Indian attorneys
such as Chugh Firm, Khanna Firm, Sheela Murthy, and leaders like Dr. Romesh Japra and
Yogi Chugh etc should do something about this with their contacts at the highest levels.
How is this happening and why is it ethnic cleansing?
Since 1990's every year several thousands of Indian professionals come to the US. Because of
delay in processing of their Green Cards a vast majority of them are on H-1B.
With the current downturn, Sen. Grassley et all have raised such a stink that companies are
forced to lay off H-1b holders first before they lay off any other US employees. While the US
employers may not always do this. They are being shamed into revealing how they laid off
US Citizens before laying off others. Net Net....Indian professionals are being laid off from
large companies (ofcourse, along with layoffs of US citizens and Green card holders as well).
Now, having been laid off, H-1b holders are forced to leave the country within 10 days if they
do not find another job. Now, many are forced to leave the US as they cannot sustain living
in the US. However, some enterprising few are finding lower paying jobs or are finding so called
'body shopping companies' to file their H-1b transfer in anticipation of staying around till the
economy improves and they can find suitable jobs. Here is when the systematic targetting and
ethnic cleansing is coming to the fore. The USCIS in the past which did not, out of the ordinary
question such H-1b transfers. is raising Request for Evidence (RFE) from these companies.
These RFEs are raised in such a way that it is impossible to answer them. They are thus
not only targetting the H-1b candidates, they are systematically undermining the people
(companies) who want to help out H-1b candidates out of their predicament of being stranded.
Imagine living in the US for the past 8 years. Owning a home, then getting in line for the
Green Card. You are close to getting the green card but because of backlog you only get
what is called the Employment Authorization Card (EAD). So, you continue to be on H-1b status.
Then your employer fires you....
There are two paths here.....Technically, with a EAD card you can get employment anywhere
with what is called US AC21 Portability.However, AC21 EAD portability comes with the need
that a person with EAD should have another job with the exact same profile and same salary.
In this market who is going to give you a job with this exact profile as your old job. The only
way for a person to stay on 'legally' is to file a backup H-1b.
Thus a person in the 'last stages' of his green card also actually ends up joining a fresh h-1b
software professional.
Now, what will the USCIS do? They will ensure that they find some issue with the RFE response
provided by the 'body shopping company' and issue a denial of H-1b extension.
The body shopping companies are trying to be the Raoul Wallenbergs (helping with visa when a
person is in distress - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg). However, the USCIS will
ensure that literally hundred thousand Indian and Chinese professionals are kicked out of the
US. The same professionals who came to US to contribute to its success will now be kicked
out of US against their wish. The companies who are willing to help them will also be harassed
in the bargain, some of those companies will be investigated for non-payment of wages, some
of them will be subjected to USCIS audits for trying to help these helpless people whose lives
are being uprooted.....I am not in any way saying that lives of US citizens is not being uprooted.
These are very tough times and there is no reason to pick on the helpless, unrepresented people.
This is as un-american as it gets. US is famous for its chivalry. Over 5000 lives have been sacrificed
in Iraq to foster democracy and fairness in that part of the world. This is an un-American as it gets.
This is a planned lynching and killing of the 'spirit' of the foreign worker who came to US dreaming
of making it the American dream and participating/contributing to its success.
What should the USCIS do?
Given the tough times...They should allow people to stay on in the US as long as another
employer is willing to keep them in status. They should not question the H-1b applications as
everyone knows that USCIS can find issues with every single H-1b extension filed right now
with their respective offices. As someone said - Rejecting a H1b now is like issuing speeding
tickets at INDY 500. Even the largest companies such as Microsoft and IBM can have their
H-1b applications rejected by the USCIS with the silliest of excuse.
What is in it for the USCIS not to do this ethnic cleansing?
Long term vision for America not just right now. This year the US Embassies in India issued over
98,000 visas to students from India. These are students who are paying their way thru education
in the US (a country with the most expensive but best education). If it turns out that US specifically
targets Indians for 'special h-1b rejection treatment' literally half of them will never aspire to come
to the US within the next 2 or 3 years.
Right now the economy is bad, but it will improve: It is a 'perfect storm' right now which is causing
this downturn. The economy will surely improve in the next few quarters. There will then be new
sectors of the economy that will boom that will need professionals. There will be enough work by then
for these H-1b professionals as well as US residents.
Confident and free people contribute positively:
If the word spreads that even in bad times this society did not turn on them then the US people
will be appreciated. But, if the message is, when you are down they will kick you where it
hurts, then this society will not succeed. Just imagine, there are at least 250,000 (maybe more) people of Indian
and Asian origin who would end up buying a house if they knew for sure that they could continue
to live without the fear of being 'ethnically cleansed'. Most Indians and Asians save money and do
not splurge. Just this measure of confidence will ensure that they will spend money in the US
economy. Just their contributions will ensure that there is a bump in the housing sector.
Finally, As they say - "Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it". The US
is perpetrating a betrayal of people who could contribute to its success in the long run. But, what they are
getting is a form of 'systematic and legally driven ethnic cleansing' - they are being identified and
driven out of the country which they have loyally served for varying periods of time.....
God Bless America....God Save America from 'some' of its own people.
Thanks.
.
FYI .. This post is what I received in e-mail few days back.
I would like to bring to the notice of your readers, editorial committee and leaders of
the Indian community of a systematic way that (legally) the US Government is practicing
legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and Chinese and other H-1B visa holders.
While it is agreeable that the current economic downturn is the worst one has seen.
It is time to band together with what resources we have and make it thru this perfect
storm. However, the machinations of a few politicians and the further connivance of the
USCIS, we are about to see a systematic 'legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and other
foreign professionals'.
Leaders of the ethnic Indian community should take up this issue. Leading Indian attorneys
such as Chugh Firm, Khanna Firm, Sheela Murthy, and leaders like Dr. Romesh Japra and
Yogi Chugh etc should do something about this with their contacts at the highest levels.
How is this happening and why is it ethnic cleansing?
Since 1990's every year several thousands of Indian professionals come to the US. Because of
delay in processing of their Green Cards a vast majority of them are on H-1B.
With the current downturn, Sen. Grassley et all have raised such a stink that companies are
forced to lay off H-1b holders first before they lay off any other US employees. While the US
employers may not always do this. They are being shamed into revealing how they laid off
US Citizens before laying off others. Net Net....Indian professionals are being laid off from
large companies (ofcourse, along with layoffs of US citizens and Green card holders as well).
Now, having been laid off, H-1b holders are forced to leave the country within 10 days if they
do not find another job. Now, many are forced to leave the US as they cannot sustain living
in the US. However, some enterprising few are finding lower paying jobs or are finding so called
'body shopping companies' to file their H-1b transfer in anticipation of staying around till the
economy improves and they can find suitable jobs. Here is when the systematic targetting and
ethnic cleansing is coming to the fore. The USCIS in the past which did not, out of the ordinary
question such H-1b transfers. is raising Request for Evidence (RFE) from these companies.
These RFEs are raised in such a way that it is impossible to answer them. They are thus
not only targetting the H-1b candidates, they are systematically undermining the people
(companies) who want to help out H-1b candidates out of their predicament of being stranded.
Imagine living in the US for the past 8 years. Owning a home, then getting in line for the
Green Card. You are close to getting the green card but because of backlog you only get
what is called the Employment Authorization Card (EAD). So, you continue to be on H-1b status.
Then your employer fires you....
There are two paths here.....Technically, with a EAD card you can get employment anywhere
with what is called US AC21 Portability.However, AC21 EAD portability comes with the need
that a person with EAD should have another job with the exact same profile and same salary.
In this market who is going to give you a job with this exact profile as your old job. The only
way for a person to stay on 'legally' is to file a backup H-1b.
Thus a person in the 'last stages' of his green card also actually ends up joining a fresh h-1b
software professional.
Now, what will the USCIS do? They will ensure that they find some issue with the RFE response
provided by the 'body shopping company' and issue a denial of H-1b extension.
The body shopping companies are trying to be the Raoul Wallenbergs (helping with visa when a
person is in distress - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg). However, the USCIS will
ensure that literally hundred thousand Indian and Chinese professionals are kicked out of the
US. The same professionals who came to US to contribute to its success will now be kicked
out of US against their wish. The companies who are willing to help them will also be harassed
in the bargain, some of those companies will be investigated for non-payment of wages, some
of them will be subjected to USCIS audits for trying to help these helpless people whose lives
are being uprooted.....I am not in any way saying that lives of US citizens is not being uprooted.
These are very tough times and there is no reason to pick on the helpless, unrepresented people.
This is as un-american as it gets. US is famous for its chivalry. Over 5000 lives have been sacrificed
in Iraq to foster democracy and fairness in that part of the world. This is an un-American as it gets.
This is a planned lynching and killing of the 'spirit' of the foreign worker who came to US dreaming
of making it the American dream and participating/contributing to its success.
What should the USCIS do?
Given the tough times...They should allow people to stay on in the US as long as another
employer is willing to keep them in status. They should not question the H-1b applications as
everyone knows that USCIS can find issues with every single H-1b extension filed right now
with their respective offices. As someone said - Rejecting a H1b now is like issuing speeding
tickets at INDY 500. Even the largest companies such as Microsoft and IBM can have their
H-1b applications rejected by the USCIS with the silliest of excuse.
What is in it for the USCIS not to do this ethnic cleansing?
Long term vision for America not just right now. This year the US Embassies in India issued over
98,000 visas to students from India. These are students who are paying their way thru education
in the US (a country with the most expensive but best education). If it turns out that US specifically
targets Indians for 'special h-1b rejection treatment' literally half of them will never aspire to come
to the US within the next 2 or 3 years.
Right now the economy is bad, but it will improve: It is a 'perfect storm' right now which is causing
this downturn. The economy will surely improve in the next few quarters. There will then be new
sectors of the economy that will boom that will need professionals. There will be enough work by then
for these H-1b professionals as well as US residents.
Confident and free people contribute positively:
If the word spreads that even in bad times this society did not turn on them then the US people
will be appreciated. But, if the message is, when you are down they will kick you where it
hurts, then this society will not succeed. Just imagine, there are at least 250,000 (maybe more) people of Indian
and Asian origin who would end up buying a house if they knew for sure that they could continue
to live without the fear of being 'ethnically cleansed'. Most Indians and Asians save money and do
not splurge. Just this measure of confidence will ensure that they will spend money in the US
economy. Just their contributions will ensure that there is a bump in the housing sector.
Finally, As they say - "Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it". The US
is perpetrating a betrayal of people who could contribute to its success in the long run. But, what they are
getting is a form of 'systematic and legally driven ethnic cleansing' - they are being identified and
driven out of the country which they have loyally served for varying periods of time.....
God Bless America....God Save America from 'some' of its own people.
Thanks.
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chanduv23
03-13 12:04 PM
where I work one of two things happen:
- HR department is clueless about EAD expiry date, so people can continue to (illegally) work once EAD expires before the new EAD comes. Or they can choose to tell HR and stop working.
- If hte case is handled by company attorneys (some AC-21 folks have stuck to their own attorneys), then company attorney sends a mail to HR saying its illegal for tha tperson to work starting from so-and-so date, and that person is put on unpaid leave starting that date.
File the extension as soon as possible (120 days) and then start praying you get it before th eold one expires.
Can we as IV community do something about this? ie communicate this to USCIS and have them clarify this with a memo and FAQ?
- HR department is clueless about EAD expiry date, so people can continue to (illegally) work once EAD expires before the new EAD comes. Or they can choose to tell HR and stop working.
- If hte case is handled by company attorneys (some AC-21 folks have stuck to their own attorneys), then company attorney sends a mail to HR saying its illegal for tha tperson to work starting from so-and-so date, and that person is put on unpaid leave starting that date.
File the extension as soon as possible (120 days) and then start praying you get it before th eold one expires.
Can we as IV community do something about this? ie communicate this to USCIS and have them clarify this with a memo and FAQ?
chanduv23
08-05 11:00 PM
Please join us for a tri state lunch meet. We would like to start working on volunteers/ mobilizing members for the DC rally. Even if you cannot take the day off and come to DC please come by for the lunch. We could really use help with banners/posters/ and ideas to make this a success.
WHEN: Saturday AUGUST 11th
LOCATION- 148 E 48TH St, New York, NY 10017 (between Lexington and Third Avenues.)
TIME: 1:30 pm
ALSO- PLEASE DO UPDATE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION
Thank you!
NJ members please join the tri state chapter by clicking on the link in my signature (NY chapter is now tri state chapter)
WHEN: Saturday AUGUST 11th
LOCATION- 148 E 48TH St, New York, NY 10017 (between Lexington and Third Avenues.)
TIME: 1:30 pm
ALSO- PLEASE DO UPDATE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION
Thank you!
NJ members please join the tri state chapter by clicking on the link in my signature (NY chapter is now tri state chapter)
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pappu
03-10 04:11 PM
I think we should take visa re-capture as high priority once we clear FOIA issue. Whats your opinion?
We have already made it a priority. This funding drive is happening after many months. I do not recollect having an IV drive in a long time. Thanks for leading the thread and making members active.
We have already made it a priority. This funding drive is happening after many months. I do not recollect having an IV drive in a long time. Thanks for leading the thread and making members active.
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feedfront
09-21 05:10 PM
Well, I talked to my civil surgeon who did medical exam report. He said he no longer does this anymore. So I will have to redo exam.
My attorney will be just sending new medical report and not AC-21.
My attorney will be just sending new medical report and not AC-21.
gc_chahiye
08-15 05:33 PM
Well, I mean no offense to anybody but why is EB3 ROW so far back while EB2 India and China are as per June bulletin or better?
I thought for India the approved cases were 5 times the country quota for 2007? Good for those guys that were approved but I still don't get it why ROW is 2002!
India did have tons of approvals, but I believe most were EB3 (18K) so thats gone to U. These are just a small number of unused visas that were presumably returned. October and there-on dates are a real reflection of USCIS backlog etc. (see the arbitrary use of Jan 2007 for EB1 in this VB)
I thought for India the approved cases were 5 times the country quota for 2007? Good for those guys that were approved but I still don't get it why ROW is 2002!
India did have tons of approvals, but I believe most were EB3 (18K) so thats gone to U. These are just a small number of unused visas that were presumably returned. October and there-on dates are a real reflection of USCIS backlog etc. (see the arbitrary use of Jan 2007 for EB1 in this VB)
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akred
06-12 11:52 AM
CIR needs to die for the simple reason that the processing workload for the illegals on the USCIS will add another 3 years of wait for everybody. Simple fact of the matter is that the system has not finished recovering from the last 245(i) amnesty that ended in 2001. That was when the DOL received 6 years of applications in one week and everybody ended up waiting 3 years or more.
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sk2006
03-01 03:23 PM
"No way. House prices will never go down in California. Certainly not in bay area. Government will do all the magic to stop the crash... Not affordable, doesn't matter. Google stocks will make a lot of rich guys. BTW renting is throwing money away.":D:D:D:rolleyes:
I love the guys making those arguments.
Now it is India's turn.
"No way, India's real estate will crash. It has a huge population and a huge demand for 70 lakh apartments( even though there are only few people who can afford it)".:rolleyes:
One more argument I hear.
Prices in good school districts will never go down.
They are still selling more than asking prices..
Now This sounds what I heard in 2001 dot com crash. When dot coms started crashing, people used to say stock of big ships like Cisco, Sun, Lucent etc can not and WILL NOT be affected.. It is just the small companies linked only to dot com will suffer.
Sounds similar?
I love the guys making those arguments.
Now it is India's turn.
"No way, India's real estate will crash. It has a huge population and a huge demand for 70 lakh apartments( even though there are only few people who can afford it)".:rolleyes:
One more argument I hear.
Prices in good school districts will never go down.
They are still selling more than asking prices..
Now This sounds what I heard in 2001 dot com crash. When dot coms started crashing, people used to say stock of big ships like Cisco, Sun, Lucent etc can not and WILL NOT be affected.. It is just the small companies linked only to dot com will suffer.
Sounds similar?
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tomchi007
02-21 05:12 PM
Pardon my ignorance and pls help me understand, how does PD impact the mass 485 applications sent July/August 2007?
I thought the PD is only relevant for being able to apply for 485 and didnt matter if your 485 application had been received. Am I wrong?
I thought the PD is only relevant for being able to apply for 485 and didnt matter if your 485 application had been received. Am I wrong?
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mbawa2574
02-17 08:51 AM
don't worry my friend.. it's not u.. that dummy has been using this fascist style of discussion on all threads
just ignore him.. it infuriates him like hell.. u'll be amused with his later responses :)
Supporting racism and calling me dummy. you planted b* Go and take a$$ out of here , you don't belong here. You have come out of a gutter to this country and gutter is the only place you deserve.
just ignore him.. it infuriates him like hell.. u'll be amused with his later responses :)
Supporting racism and calling me dummy. you planted b* Go and take a$$ out of here , you don't belong here. You have come out of a gutter to this country and gutter is the only place you deserve.
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rajuram
01-25 01:26 AM
For my part, I send an email everyday to the white house and the state dept. This is probably not enough.....but may be some day it will work.
BTW, my apologies if the members thought that this thread was accusatory. Still the question remains, what next?
Ok, I understand, no use bringing it up again, sorry, let me go back and read other interesting threads on "investments" and "buying houses"...
How about we start writing letters to the WhiteHouse/President on
(i) Eliminate per country quota limits
(ii) Recapture the lost visas
(iii) Porcessing dates cannot go back
for administrative fixes ?
BTW, my apologies if the members thought that this thread was accusatory. Still the question remains, what next?
Ok, I understand, no use bringing it up again, sorry, let me go back and read other interesting threads on "investments" and "buying houses"...
How about we start writing letters to the WhiteHouse/President on
(i) Eliminate per country quota limits
(ii) Recapture the lost visas
(iii) Porcessing dates cannot go back
for administrative fixes ?
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greenlight
08-17 01:45 AM
hi everyone,
I want to get feedback about the possibility of pursuing PERM for EB2 and still capture my PD for EB3. Here is my situation.
I am a South Korean with PD in Dec. 04 on EB3. I filed I-485 along with EAD & AP on 7/25/07.
I recently got a master's degree in another field, and my current job can hire me in a different position.
Q1. If I ask my employer to file PERM on EB2 for the new position requiring the master's degree, I should be able to capture the PD (12/04) for my EB3, right?
Q2. Based on the september visa bulletin, should I wait on the EB-3 AOD application to be processed or would it be faster to switch to EB-2 and refile I-485? Please explain why.
Thanks.
I want to get feedback about the possibility of pursuing PERM for EB2 and still capture my PD for EB3. Here is my situation.
I am a South Korean with PD in Dec. 04 on EB3. I filed I-485 along with EAD & AP on 7/25/07.
I recently got a master's degree in another field, and my current job can hire me in a different position.
Q1. If I ask my employer to file PERM on EB2 for the new position requiring the master's degree, I should be able to capture the PD (12/04) for my EB3, right?
Q2. Based on the september visa bulletin, should I wait on the EB-3 AOD application to be processed or would it be faster to switch to EB-2 and refile I-485? Please explain why.
Thanks.
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mps
04-23 09:43 PM
Hearty Congratulations !!
You have been a great contributor to this site .. please continue to do so for benefit of rest of us ..:)
You have been a great contributor to this site .. please continue to do so for benefit of rest of us ..:)
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03-10 12:42 AM
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hsingh82
06-11 09:36 AM
Reply I received:
Thank you for contacting my offices. Your correspondence has been received, and we will respond to you as quickly as possible. A copy of your message is attached below for your records.
If you need immediate assistance regarding an urgent problem you are experiencing with the federal government, visit the "Help With Federal Agencies" section of the website for details on how to proceed so that your difficulties are brought to my attention as soon as possible.
If you are seeking information or services from my offices that are NOT related to my Legislative duties, please visit my "Services For Texans" section for more information.
Warmest Regards,
U.S. Senator John Cornyn
Thank you for contacting my offices. Your correspondence has been received, and we will respond to you as quickly as possible. A copy of your message is attached below for your records.
If you need immediate assistance regarding an urgent problem you are experiencing with the federal government, visit the "Help With Federal Agencies" section of the website for details on how to proceed so that your difficulties are brought to my attention as soon as possible.
If you are seeking information or services from my offices that are NOT related to my Legislative duties, please visit my "Services For Texans" section for more information.
Warmest Regards,
U.S. Senator John Cornyn
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cool_guy_onnet1
02-20 03:29 PM
Dude. I am *so* not Ron Gotcher. :)
He was rushing and didn't give me any specifics for EB-3 India.
Just don't exhaust this resource and keep it down low.
Lets wait and watch- Go IV
He was rushing and didn't give me any specifics for EB-3 India.
Just don't exhaust this resource and keep it down low.
Lets wait and watch- Go IV
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andy garcia
09-10 12:15 PM
Only if you plan to remain in the U.S. permanently and you don't like the fact that you'll have to wait for many years without the ability to get a salary raise or promotion, without your spouse being able to work (if you have one) and being forced to leave the U.S. immediately if you get laid off.
If you are perfectly happy with your H1-B job and planning to stay in the U.S. only temporarily, then no, you are not in a jail or closet. But 99% of us are.
I have been here for 8 years and I do not have the option of going back to my country like you guys from India. I applied for my 485 2 years ago and my son and wife are working already.
When I was on H1, I was happy with the company. It seems that people who are using the sponsor company as a tool to get the GC are the ones complaininf the most about.
If you are perfectly happy with your H1-B job and planning to stay in the U.S. only temporarily, then no, you are not in a jail or closet. But 99% of us are.
I have been here for 8 years and I do not have the option of going back to my country like you guys from India. I applied for my 485 2 years ago and my son and wife are working already.
When I was on H1, I was happy with the company. It seems that people who are using the sponsor company as a tool to get the GC are the ones complaininf the most about.
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nomi
12-11 03:58 PM
USCIS cannot do anything on the matter. INA is clear on the AOS conditions, one of which is "An immigrant visa is IMMEDIATELY available at time of filing for adjustment of status" (INA 245, 8 USC 1225)
INA should be changed which should be done through a legislative process, not through any rule making.
Thank xbohdukc. I think, this door is also close.
INA should be changed which should be done through a legislative process, not through any rule making.
Thank xbohdukc. I think, this door is also close.
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mhathi
03-03 04:51 PM
You need an option: My home buying decision is independent of green card process.
ItIsNotFunny
10-17 02:38 PM
What did we achieve? Didn't come out with common agenda!
va_dude
03-19 08:44 AM
Guys... can we drop the whole discussion about this guy's name.
It is no advisable to discuss such topics in public forums on the internet. These keywords attract unwarranted attention.
It is no advisable to discuss such topics in public forums on the internet. These keywords attract unwarranted attention.
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